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Is Jesus Referred to as the Pagan Deity Amun?

Question of the Week: When Jesus is referred to as “The Amen” is it referencing the pagan Egyptian deity Amun?

The word Amen is a word from the Hebrew language meaning “to agree” or affirm what you say as true. The name Amun in the Egyptian language is taken to mean many things, none of which have anything to do with the Hebrew term Jesus used to describe Himself in Revelation 3:14.

“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
Revelation 3:14 (NKJV)

In order to properly understand what Jesus is referencing, we first need to understand the background to Jesus’ statement. Then once we can positively affirm what is being said, we can compare it to what we know about the pagan deity Amun in order to come to a proper conclusion about this accusation.

What does Jesus mean when He refers to Himself as “The Amen?” Alongside other references to the Old Testament that were associating Him with the God of the Old Testament, He is clarifying to a church who is speaking to them based on these particular traits. The author of Revelation, the Apostle John, frequently clarifies in His gospel and epistles that Jesus came to this world in order to show us what the Creator of the Universe is like. The beginning, or literally genesis, of the Creation of God is one example. Jesus is given credit for the sort of thing the God of Israel claimed to do in Genesis 1:1.

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:3 (NKJV)

Now that we understand John’s use of language concerning Jesus, what would be accomplished by Jesus in referring to Himself as the Amen? It falls in line with the other title Jesus refers to Himself as being the Faithful and True Witness. A Witness is something or someone that has seen something. Being a witness is to be a living example of something in order to show or explain it to others. This is what John describes Jesus as when He adopted human nature in a moment of history.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 (NKJV)

All of these terms Jesus refers to Himself as fall in line with one common feature. He is the living example of the God of the Jewish Old Testament. We need to understand that is the culture Jesus is speaking to and from in order to properly represent what the significance of “Amen” means. Because Jesus uses Hebrew terms, familiar to a Hebrew audience, having a Hebrew background, and always in association with the God of the Hebrews, we need to conclude that this is a statement alluding to Hebrew culture. Not Egyptian. Further confirmation of this exists in the fact that the church Jesus is speaking to would be located in modern day Turkey, which was populated by Greeks. No association with Egypt or paganism is suggested in any way whatsoever. Jesus, as a Jew, is using Jewish terms to associate Himself with traits of the Jewish God.

With all of that said, Jesus’ affirmation to be the living personification of the God of Israel leaves no room for any association with Egyptian culture with one exception. The word Amun sounds like the word Amen. Therefore, does that mean we should conclude that despite being different languages from different cultures with different meanings, we should associate them both in terms of their theology and rewrite the entire Bible in the image of Egyptian paganism? Obviously not. The phonetic fallacy is when you falsely assume similar words from two different languages should be understood to have the same meaning. This accusation actually takes it a step farther. If one word can be compared to a word from an entirely different language, culture, and theology in any way, we should assume they are referring to the same deity. This is not only false on logical grounds, but historic as well.

Our understanding of Egyptian paganism is limited to the hieroglyphs and writings we have available to us which are laughably small compared to our understanding of the Jewish God in the Old Testament. Amun’s story can be understood as a development of an older god by the name of Ra. They are often referred to in ancient Pyramid texts in Thebes as Amun-Ra with Ra being the more prominent name of the two. Being referred to as “The Hidden One” and associated with water in contradiction with Ra’s association with the sun, the religion of Egypt underwent many changes from the time of Moses all the way to the time of the Assyrian conquest of Egypt in the mid 600’s BC. We don’t actually know anything about him until after this time period, and it is then that parallels with the Jewish God of Israel begin to appear. An objective historian would conclude that since Egypt had many interactions with Israel and had a demonstrably flexible religion, they copied these aspects of Amun from the Jewish God YHVH, not vice versa. And even then, his common traits actually put further distance between himself and Jesus rather than bringing them closer together. They refer to Amun as the Creator, but leave out the detail that Amun created himself from Chaos. The God of Israel is eternal, and thus never had a moment of creation. They refer to Amun as one of a series of multiple members who acted in Creation, but fail to clarify that it was an Ogdoad of eight distinct and separate deities rather than a Trinity of the one and only God. Amun had a consort to produce offspring. Jesus doesn’t. Amun at the height of his popularity was considered the most prominent of many gods in Egypt. Jews and early Christians never considered Jesus a lesser or distinct deity from the Father until the time of Joseph Smith and Charles Taze Russell. Both of which are founders of heretical cults and treated as such by Orthodox Christians even to this day. The worship of Amun in Egyptian paganism ceased in the 5th century AD. The worship of Jesus as God in Christianity continues even to this day. These are merely a handful of examples with many more available. The point is simply this. Egyptian paganism and its portrayal of Amun is in no way reconcilable with Jesus as He’s portrayed in the Old and New Testament. Anyone who would claim otherwise is depending on the ignorance of their audience in order to take these kind of claims seriously.

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How Do I Respond To Someone That Rejects the Bible?

Question of the Week: How do I respond to someone who claims they believe Jesus is God and died for our sins, but rejects the Bible?

The best response to statements and beliefs that aren’t entirely thought through is to ask the individual to explain how they came to that conclusion. If they believe Jesus existed, then the question to ask is where they found out about Him. If they believe Jesus died in a particular way for a particular reason, the question to ask is how they got ahold of that information. If they believe Jesus is God, the question is what exactly they mean by God. If the answer to all of these questions is that they have personally decided these things are true, then there’s only one question left to ask. Can the Jesus you made up save you? If they’re being honest, the answer is going to be no. If they refuse to answer, then they’ve demonstrated one thing about their beliefs. Truth doesn’t matter. At that point, there’s nothing you can do apart from pray for them. Until God softens their hearts and they are willing to acknowledge the truth, you can present it to them all day and it won’t make any difference. God doesn’t force someone to believe the truth if they don’t want to. He will allow them to believe a lie. We should follow that example until the individual decides that knowing the truth about God matters.


The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (NKJV)

If someone rejects the Bible, they are rejecting the only collection of documents that historically date to the culture, time, and setting that Jesus of Nazareth came from. When it comes to the kind of God Jesus claimed to be, you would only be settling for less if you rejected the four biographies written about His life and teachings known as the Gospels. When it comes to the historical death of Jesus, you wouldn’t find a better record of how and why He died then the eyewitnesses that reported it first-hand. If you reject the Bible, you’re rejecting a historical record centered around the person of Jesus Christ. Anyone who wants to know anything about Him will always start there. Anyone who rejects the most reliable records we have about His life isn’t interested in who Jesus was. They are simply attaching the name and actions of Jesus to an image in their minds. A fake Jesus can’t save you. The Jesus of History is willing to do so if you ask.

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There is No God.

Question of the Week: There is no God.

There’s three problems with that question. First, it’s not a question. It is a statement that I am not required to answer. I didn’t make the claim. The individual who made the claim now has the responsibility to prove what they have said. Telling a fun story about how nothing exploded into everything isn’t an explanation. Atheist and Non-Christian scholars are willing to admit that the law of causality applies to the Universe since it had a beginning. The Christian’s claim isn’t filling in that gap with God. It’s reasonably considering what kind of thing could cause the universe without being made of the things that make up the universe. Something that existed before measurable time (eternal), isn’t made of matter (spirit), isn’t bound by space (omnipresent), and was intelligent enough to cause the sort of universe that had function and design (hyper intelligent), sounds a lot like God to me.

Second, to say there is no God assumes that we know enough about all of existence to verify there is no God in it. If we were to be honest, our working knowledge of the known universe, let alone anything beyond it, is less than 1%. In the 99+% of everything else in existence, it is a huge leap of faith to assume there isn’t anything we could call God beyond what we are aware of.

Third, we have been made aware of God’s existence. Many religions claim that their gods have left their fingerprints on this world. Only one has made that claim in a way that can be verifiably tested. In the first century of the Common Era calendar, a man by the name of Jesus of Nazareth gathered a large following that centered around His claim to be divine. In order to verify this claim, He allowed Himself to be publicly executed through Roman Crucifixion and rose from the dead three days after His public burial. The records of this that go before even the biographies we have in our Bibles confirm this testimony within months of the original event. There is more evidence to support the claims made in the New Testament than any other ancient document in history. There are more reasons to believe Jesus’ claim to be the God of Israel than any fair enquirer could ask. If Jesus claimed there was a God, claimed to be that God, and proved it through a historically verifiable miracle, then there is in fact a God.

A Reason For Hope is a ministry of Calvary Christian Fellowship of Tucson

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Does Revelation 2:23 Support Abortion?

Question: Does the Bible show Jesus supports Abortion in Revelation 2:23?

The question itself is inflammatory rather than looking for a genuine answer, but one will be provided nonetheless.
The passage reads; “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:  “I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent.  Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
There are several things to note in the passage in order to understand why the question can’t be genuine. First, Jesus is speaking to a church in Asia Minor that had allowed false prophets to influence their behavior in a way that directly rebelled against Him. The false prophets themselves were going to be held accountable, and if the church didn’t turn from their false teachings, they would join them. That is as plain as the passage could possibly be taken. Narrowing in on the passage that says, “I will kill her children with death” only worsens their argument. People who argue for abortion do so hoping to prove that it’s moral to do so. Yet if we allow that this passage is speaking of the unborn or newborn, it calls it killing and causing the death of children. That doesn’t help their case. This is what then solidifies our own. Whose children are they? 3 verses prior, Jezebel is mentioned. Queen Jezebel, the wife of King Ahab of Samaria, was a historical human being who lived 800 years before Jesus and one decade short of 900 years before the writing of this book. Unless we believe that the Bible was inaccurate in reporting Jehu having her thrown out a window to be eaten alive by dogs, and she somehow managed to survive for almost a millennium to influence this church, she’s a symbol for her legacy of introducing and enforcing Baal worship in Israel and murdering the people who stood in her way. If the mother is a symbol, it’s reasonable to conclude that her children are as well. It is almost as unwise to read the last book of the Bible before being familiar with the first 65, as it is to take the objections of internet atheists seriously.


A Reason For Hope is a ministry of Calvary Christian Fellowship of Tucson

Listen: Monday – Friday 5-6pm, on 106.3FM Reach Radio

Email your questions:

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